Thank you to Greg Williams for having me on his Audio Podcast series: Learning Experience Leader
You can listen to it here. It is 52:03 minutes in length.

The Learning Experience Leader Podcast
The Learning Experience Leader Podcast is a project devoted to design, leadership, and the psychology of learning. The aim of the show is to help you expand your perspective of learning design through conversations with innovative professionals and scholars across the world.
Every other week a different practitioner or researcher shares insights from their work and experience to bring a more holistic view on how learning happens and what we can do to create amazing learning experiences through design and leadership.
If you are interested in how people learn and how you can be more effective in helping others grow and develop, then this podcast is for you.

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